My job was to manage that network of people and -- if people couldn't be convinced to support us -- to take them out, as people who could stop us from selling our project.

We would map out all the people, the clients and management and lower down in the company, find out who was for us and who was against us.

The expert who the client will have seen when the project was sold will tend to only visit most projects occasionally, and often they will be spending their time out selling new projects.

I went, 'Oh, this is not right,' then I started investigating it.

The knowledge of the delayed function of a cashier's check and a money order might catch some people if they were nice honest people.