It really just shocked the hell out of me. I'm sitting here wondering how could I not have known and how could I not have helped him. We just never discussed these old kinds of wounds.

I saw depression the first year and half after he was let go. He really was crushed. I don't think David really understood what the grounds for dismissal were. He really liked the tribe -- he cared about them.

It was a messy situation. I think David felt extremely betrayed. David told me that he felt of Lou as his father, his mentor.