We've got to go in and almost rebuild and entire infrastructure, a health infrastructure, in that particular area.

Those surpluses were virtually eliminated in about 18 months. So this is one of the reasons the governors are sort of concerned and really want to run surpluses of 5 to 6 percent.

We are trying to manage utilization. The money we save now can help save some [health] coverage during the next economic downturn.

The House has worked very closely with us. From our standpoint, Republicans and Democrats saw this very similarly at the state level.

Those surpluses were virtually eliminated in about 18 months.