If you forget to provide me a drink of water, forget to turn me, forget to clean me, those are serious things, and we have a serious system of fines to get at those. But there was no intent to defraud someone.

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Did I practice a bit of hyperbole about the caravan process? Absolutely.

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We don't want innocent mistakes to be called Medicaid fraud.

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You've seen the people who truly deserve the help vs. those that frankly didn't.

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