I think it's well-deserved. Bob Kearns is a good man. Not only is he a tremendously successful coach, he has a tremendous way of working with those kids. He's one of the best. He's been a Division III powerhouse for as long as I've been around.

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When I started doing this stuff in the '70s, a lot of creditors were suppliers who needed [the filer] as much as he needed them.

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