I just can't see going into more debt for a recreation center. There's needs, wants and desires, and we need to take care of the needs. I think it's foolish to have more debt.

If Steve had suggested it earlier, we might have done it. But I looked at it as a slam dunk because smaller cities were paying more.

Community good, neighborhood good, trumps the right of property owners.

I never asked for a transcript, ... I hired him in a job where I didn't think he needed (a degree). His work experience was enough. And then with his job performance I gave him some responsibilities of and the title of chief administrative officer. . . . His educational background was never a big deal for me.

It's a unique building having been a skating rink and a well-known Ream's grocery store. There's nostalgia associated with it.

You are a separate branch of government. You don't rely on the city manager like other city councils, where the city manager really represents the council.

I work for a trading company. With the amount of time required on the council, I asked them to cut my compensation in half, which amounted to a $5,000 a month cut. That's neither here nor there in some ways, but as I looked at the council compensation compared to other cities, it was not balanced, especially in this form of government.

That's why we have zoning.

Wow, ... It's probably a landmark in city politics. Amounts above that are raised in congressional, senatorial and even gubernatorial races but not in Provo city politics.