We talk a lot about rebounding with Troyer, and he feels good about it. If he doesn't get the rebound, we don't get it.

I never thought about that. I guess I'd hope so. I think in order to win, there has to be some physical quality to you. ... (Warsaw's Colin) Clemens has played very well and pretty consistent this year, and (Shaun) Cabrera has always played well against us. He's a pretty healthy guard.