Being flexible was really important to us. Sometimes that meant being willing to do without. We had some lean years, but we were with our kids.

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We provide the impetus for people, the sense that it is doable. You don't need a background in writing or publishing. Denis is helping other people do what he learned to do himself. He empowers them with techniques.

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We were part of that era that said the establishment and giving away your life to spend 40 years on an assembly line is not OK. But it took us a while to figure out what to do if we're not depending on the establishment.

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And you also can create the life you want. 'Follow your bliss' is not lightly said. There will be consequences and choices to make, but there's integrity in following what you know you should be doing for yourself.

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