Ron Carey was leading the Teamsters back into political action. These were not budget-busting contributions.

Ron Carey did not put hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own money back in the Teamsters' treasury to allow a couple of schemers to steal that money.

No one tells Ron Carey what's going on and the government doesn't suggest they do. Even though he had nothing to hide, he somehow lied. Figure that out.

You can't stop that. You can have checks, polygraphs, precautions -- at the end of the day, if somebody is determined to do it, they're going to do it.