If [the target's] average pay is half of the buyer's average pay, guess what—their payroll is going up 50%. All those things need to be allowed for within the projection model in which you value the business, which is all a function of the CFO.

HR should have a seat at the table only if they are able to talk dollars and cents.

You can ask some questions that might uncover it, but if you can't get to it, you can't get to it.