It does not seem that much different, ... it doesn't look like a few boys dotted about a number of girls - it's a good mix.

There's been an attempt to put reporters on the spot and question the motivation of reporters. It is irritating, and I for one think it's an attempt by the White House to change the focus from what is a legitimate question to what the talking point is. It's an effort to cast the media as out for red meat.

A lot of employers would say it is too easy at the moment for unions to be able to put themselves in a position where they can take protected industrial action and, once it is occurring, too difficult to bring it to an end.

It's, it's really been grim. I mean they realize that this is probably the biggest political crisis they've faced in the President's tenure. I think what they're trying to create now after two weeks is a level of engagement and urgency that the President created after three days, just three days after the 9/11 attacks. It's a major challenge.

Kelly O'Donnell at the White House for us this morning. Kelly thanks very much.

They are two of their key players.

While you can be permanently replaced, you technically can't be fired. The strikers have the first opportunity to take the job of replacement workers who might quit.

So what we're involved in here is a trade-off, and the value of the trade-off depends on how much you think conditions at the bottom will get worse, and how many extra jobs you'll get. And I think the evidence on the balance is very murky. It's not a clear case at all.

Offensively, we have to move the football on them. We haven't in the last few years. And that will be tough. They are big and physical.