You don't know cause you have always been paying the same bill.

The last round of layoffs were directly related to natural gas prices. This last round was a group of workers I didn't want to let go, but utility costs forced us into a position where we had to.

I think they have been sitting on their hands for a while.

Starting in 2000, we started having problems with customers turning to China, and then all of a sudden our production costs started going up and up. Basically, since 2000, we've been in a constant decline.