When you sit there now and look at your life now and look at your life in the past, you say to yourself, you've come a long way. And you didn't really see it coming, because it happened so gradual and you were working every day that you really didn't see it coming. But you turn around and you wake up and you're there.

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For the first three years it was, it was a very, very hard struggle. You know, I'm telling you about the good times that happened. But the rough times . . . like I think in any start-up business almost destroyed us. But because we were all so close as friends, you know, we would push each other.

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