We're a rodeo association, not a bull-riding association. Our efforts should be focused on making our rodeos better.

Colorado Springs is wishful thinking.

There wasn't any payment involved, there weren't any threats, there wasn't any quid pro quo, but he made it very clear that Barry would appreciate it if we kept him out of it. And we had several discussions about how Mike Rains knew what the score was -- and that is that he knew Barry was using.