This is not pharmacology. This is art.

[It's difficult, if not impossible, to get corporate funding for an exhibition such as] Ecstasy, ... This is a show that questions boundaries, not only perceptual but social. Maybe the biggest challenge was trying to find some edgy, youth-oriented corporation that would go for it.

You have to march along and read it in this kind of experiential way, ... You can't see it unless you are right up on it, and when you are right up on it, you are lost in his mind. That is very important to him.

Ecstasy: In and About Altered States.

Forest of Signs.

Three tons of confetti, ... Well, it's MOCA. Get out the big guns.

It's a metaphor for time-based, often highly reductive, early video that kind of puts you to sleep, ... You are supposed to drift off with him. It's a very funny thing. As he is falling asleep, the lights of the city are beginning to get brighter. Things run rather counter.

If I hadn't been able to get it, I wouldn't have done the show, ... It's that essential.