The closest thing to [strong-arm tactics] I've heard about is that sometimes a company may want to run a third-party product, and Microsoft says that if they do, it won't support the platform. Is it possible Microsoft does this? Sure.

We have achieved solid success.

We cannot thin our way to nirvana.

It wasn't that you had this big humongous fire. It was that at significant times during the fire, the intensity was high but the rates of spread were extremely high. And that's just very difficult to contain.

With the School Fire, you had so many structures ignite because they generally had continuous grasses right up to them.

The government is probably going out on a limb with this [pressuring] charge. Even if it were true, what's really wrong with that? As a company, you don't have to take the deal with Microsoft.

The point [the government] needs to concentrate on is Microsoft's tactics that are used with the largest hardware vendors and the bundling deals. It will be hard enough to prove that case.