We didn't really get much of a discussion on it at all. We were more focused in the meeting with him on (other) justice issues.

Changes have to take place.

We can't just focus on those two minutes in the Quonset hut. We had almost 26 years with a great son and we are going to have all eternity with him.

A message there needs to be some changes in our justice system and a message that we need an effective national drug strategy.