If for some reason the voters really want 3,500 homes and no commercial and they vote down the PUD plan, then we proceed with Plan B. I'll be surprised if the majority of people around there really want to see 3,500 homes.

This is something we've wanted for a long time. But, for a long time, they said one government agency can't pay for another one.

They had no life paddles, no life vests, no personal protective equipment. They weren't familiar with the river, either.