That's where their office was, at the time, and talked with the manager about hiring two black drivers. He said he didn't have any openings.

We went to Detroit. I wanted to see what was going on in some other parts of the world. You know, I was just traveling, like. I had a minister that lived here. He was in St. Louis and he said things was going so well and that it was such a wonderful place.

You know, I had spoke to Pugh earlier about joining the organization. Pugh told me he wasn't going to have anything to do with that mess.

You couldn't keep a record. You couldn't keep any minutes, you know. You'd have a meeting at, say, my house today. And the next week or two, you'd have it at his house. And the next one, at some other place, not the same place all the time. And that's the way you had to keep those folks from knowing where you was having your meetings.

They just didn't have the sense of the strength of their vote. Just thought it wasn't necessary.

We supply technology and applications to more than 90% of communications companies worldwide today, and billing is a logical and complementary addition for those customers.

I don't know how a fellow looks, when he meets somebody that he hasn't seen, hasn't heard of, don't know where they are, know nothing about the house, whatever.

When we go into an industry, we go all the way.

We used to hold those secret meetings at her house.