You had thoughts of it. When I was a kid [before] Jackie Robinson integrated baseball, he played for Montreal, which played against Buffalo, and I would go watch them play. They were one step [away] from the majors - guys like Roy Campanella and Don Newcombe. . . . I thought about being in that position, and there were many, many people who thought that I would make it.

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There are the few that make it and a whole lot who don't make it. I was part of the whole lot that didn't make it . . ..

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At the time I thought I was the first black to make All-High in baseball, but I understand that back in the '30s or '40s there was one other black who had made All-High in baseball.

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