I know the General Assembly is struggling over the money end of it now. And the governor seems to be more and more convinced in his public pronouncements that tolling a current-day interstate as opposed to new construction is problematic because of the diversion it causes.

All of the proposals being talked about with respect to 81 are expensive. It's a question of how we want to invent our future.

One thing that's clear is that it's going to be tricky to find the resources to do this.