They seem to be a mystery. Their whole league seems to be a mystery. We?re kind of going in a little bit blind.

I think that?s a factor driving that far and trying to get your legs under you. If we can set the tone right away before they get their legs under them that can help us.

We have to be physical and when we do that we?re usually pretty good.

We had to change the mentality that we were just hear to get pounded. We learned what it takes to play in this league. Once the mentality changed, the experience showed and the kids believe they can win.

So fouls were a real problem for us, obviously.