There will be a number of closings, mergers and clusters that will result out of this immediately. But you have to remember this is a plan that has to be implemented over five years.

The number of students keeps going down, and the debt keeps going up.

It's from investment income and other things. Whatever the diocese has there is invested in things like the St. Vincent de Paul Society, the CYO (Catholic Youth Organization) and other kinds of Catholic organizations and things that we've done over the years.

There's no question that they're facing challenges right now, I think we all feel very confident that it has and it can make a significant contribution to the Catholic dialogue in the United States.

He is, of course, a huge Steelers fan -- but he pulls for the Lions, too. Luckily, we haven't had any major confrontations.

I'm sure they'll be talking soon.

When the process is over, there really should be no surprises. Anyone engaged in the process is really very much aware of this material.