I think it's going to be very difficult for the judge to find penalties that could indeed be construed as forward-looking.

I think it will be reduced; $28 billion is a bit much.

The industry keeps saying that this is a West Coast phenomenon, ... I don't think we know it's just the West Coast. I think this industry has some rocky roads ahead.

All that accumulation of negative stuff really sunk into the minds of people. And these are the people who serve on juries.

If they lose the first big Medicaid case, the other side gets additional strength out of that kind of loss. And they're going to be able to demand more of the industry.