Then you yell, 'Fire! Fire! Fire in the hole!' and you're gonna hustle on out of there. In fact you've got very, very little time to get out. Most coal miners, they just take and fall down on their face right there — because they're gonna end up that way anyhow, and then you're gonna have to go find your hat.

So Bhutan would stand out as a model, and Haiti is at the other end, ... And everybody else sort of falls in the middle somewhere.

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Bhutan - having looked at its neighbor, Nepal, which is overpopulated, has ruined its environment and is very unstable politically - knows what it wants: not to become another Nepal.

They turned a coal mine into a gold mine. People come from all over the world to see this mine — from Sweden and England and all kinds of places.

Of course, there are political complications in Haiti, too, ... But when people are basically unhappy because they don't have a good way of life, they don't have a job, it's often related to too many people and too few opportunities.