He was the first one we actually met face to face. By the end of the conversation, in the reality staring us in the face, we turned to each other and said we just want Joe to be happy and find a way for him to move on in his life. He's a guy you just want to move so he can find some sort of peace.

There was no turning back. The minute they saw that line, it was a done deal.

The joke version very quickly turned into a serious version.