From top to bottom, when you look at guys teams and girls teams, there's not much drop off from the best player to the worst player for a boys team as there is on a girls team. You get a lot of role players with girls. There's a couple of good players and some role players.

Some people might say that an academic kid like that would be soft, but he's not soft. He is hard as a player. He covers kids that are bigger than him and weigh more than him, but he never gets kids that work harder than him.

That's a big win for us. We haven't beaten them in more than a year. It's a big rivalry.