We never want anyone to come thinking they are going to win to pay their house payment or their lighting bill. That's the wrong reason to play.

We were poor, almost totally dependent on the federal government for subsistence. And that's not good for a people to have to depend on someone else. It tears at your spirit. And this is what Indian tribes have gone through throughout the history of this country. Gaming is helping us out of that mentality and now we're helping ourselves and that's exciting.