It's a vicarious thing. The difficult things I've done, I'm interested in figuring out how to do it.

We wanted a place that had privacy, was comfortable for artists, that Barbara could have a studio, and I could have a studio. I wanted to get out of the renting situation. It's not a real profitable business, so I have to control overhead.

It's a very basic studio setup, so we don't attempt to do very elaborate projects. Everything (including the press) packs up into a closet so it is out of the weather and out of John's way when he is there.