I think at first it was not a perfect experience. There was zero student participation. He would play football and no one would be in the stadium. Football athletes were really frowned upon. ... They did a great sales job. In essence, it wasn't the case.

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He wasn't going to look at the Ivy League. I told him he didn't want me to tell his children that he passed up just the option. There had to be one Ivy League school visit. I wasn't going to tell my grandkids that their father didn't even consider it.

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We said, 'No, you didn't have to go there. You've got three more options. We couldn't talk him out of it. They must've made some kind of mark. We couldn't believe he made the decision. We thought he'd be a Big Ten, rah-rah type of athlete.

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